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For once i will post a wish list item but i need your help to make it a reality. 

The idea is fairly simple, a Grading Wizard, which asks questions about the comic in your hands and based on the answers provided suggest what the proper condition should be.

So what i need from all of you is to determine, what those questions are, what the possible answers to those questions are, and what grade is assigned based on the answer.

how is that for a challenge?

one thing i am not looking for this to do is mass grading, just one issue at a time.



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That is enormously stellar!

Okay, hmm... here's a start:

Is the entire book intact (cover,all pages,all original, no restoration)?  yes/no

Are the interior pages yellowed?  yes/no

How significant are any tears in the book? A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe

Water damage? yes/no

Wrinkling on cover/pages?  A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe

Spine damage? A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe

Printing Errors? 1, 2, 3, 4 or more

Smudging of ink? A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe

Any marks (i.e. drawing, writing, coloring done by your 5 year old child when you weren't looking :) )?  A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe



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Great idea! I have to go interview Troy but I'll come back to this with my Overstreet grading guide and will post suggestions.

Funky idea. There's really nothing like it out there.


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How are the staples : A.No rust B.Minor Rust C.Major Rust

Are there any Missing Staples A. None B.One C.Both


Edited by AvengersFan223 - 07 July 2011 at 5:57pm

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Is there any fading of ink A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe

Are there any binding defects A. NONE B. Minor C. Moderate, D. Severe

Is the book Brittle? Yes/No

Is there any pieces Clipped out (AKA MARVEL VALUE STAMP)
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Chip, under marks you should add stains


Edited by AvengersFan223 - 09 July 2011 at 7:11pm

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Here's an Overstreet Grading Guide chart that could be useful for mathetmatizing the grading process. It takes some of the guess work out of it.



Here's another chart that defines the terms and makes it more precise.



Way I see it a book is split up into 4 parts and then each part is also subdivided.

Front cover - cover, edges, corners
Back cover - same as front cover
Spine - edge, staples
Interior - interior cover, pages, spread, staples

All questions you may have, will relate to one of those subdivisions.

I'll start with that. I'll get to posting questions when I've had some sleep.


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JasonNewcomb wrote
Here's an Overstreet Grading Guide chart that could be useful for mathetmatizing the grading process. It takes some of the guess work out of it.



Here's another chart that defines the terms and makes it more precise.



Way I see it a book is split up into 4 parts and then each part is also subdivided.

Front cover - cover, edges, corners
Back cover - same as front cover
Spine - edge, staples
Interior - interior cover, pages, spread, staples

All questions you may have, will relate to one of those subdivisions.

I'll start with that. I'll get to posting questions when I've had some sleep.

Brilliant presentation!



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JasonNewcomb wrote
Here's an Overstreet Grading Guide chart that could be useful for
mathetmatizing the grading process. It takes some of the guess work out of it.
Here's another chart
that defines the terms and makes it more precise.
Way I see it
a book is split up into 4 parts and then each part is also subdivided.Front cover -
cover, edges, cornersBack cover - same as front coverSpine - edge, staplesInterior -
interior cover, pages, spread, staplesAll questions you may have, will relate to one of
those subdivisions.

Wow, those are great charts, they show how many defects, and what the grade is for them
you get applause for that
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Thanks guys. But I hope you don't think I made those charts. I scanned them from Overstreet Grading Guide.

This project reminds me of when I designed a board game. Similar process. Breaking down the whole into it's most basic components.


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JasonNewcomb wrote
Thanks guys. But I hope you
don't think I made those charts. I scanned them from
Overstreet Grading Guide.

Its the effort that counts
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OK, here are some questions I can formulate based on Overstreet's Grading guide. This is a brainstorm, take it with a grain of salt.

Does the book present well? No / Yes - moderately well, very well, superbly well.

Does the book have good eye appeal? No / Yes - fair eye appeal, moderate eye appeal, good eye appeal, great eye appeal.

Does the book appear to have been read? Never / once or twice but handled with great care / A few times and handled moderately well / Several times and not handled with care.

Does the book have printing or bindery defects? Only the slightest nearly imperceptible / 1-2 defects / 2-4 defects / 3-5 defects / 6-8 defects / 1 severe defects / many severe defects.

Is the front cover flat with no surface wear? Yes / No it has minimal surface wear / No it has moderate surface wear / No it has severe surface wear.

Are the exterior cover inks bright with high reflectivity?  Yes / No there is a slight loss of reflectivity / No there is a moderate loss of reflectivity / No there is a severe loss of reflectivity

Are there color flecks present? No / yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is the cover spread well centered and firmly secured to the interior pages? Yes / No it is slightly detached and off center / No it is moderately detached and off center / No it is severely detached and off center / No the cover is detached.

Are the cover corners cut square and sharp? Yes / No the corners are slightly miscut, abraded, blunted/ No the corners are moderately miscut, abraded, blunted / No the corners are severely miscut, abraded, blunted.

Are there corner pieces missing from the cover? No / Yes (I think this question should be if they click yes, they are then asked how many and then asked to to describe each one with the following criteria)  /  a 16th inch piece is missing / an 8th inch piece is missing / a quarter inch piece is missing / a half inch piece is missing / a three quarter inch piece is missing / a one inch piece is missing / a piece more than one inch is missing.

Is edge chipping present? No / yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is there overhang? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is edge wear present? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Are there creases on the front or back cover? No / Yes (and if yes how many and if they answer a lot of creases there's no need for them to describe each one but if they answer 2 or 3 it could be useful to describe each in measurements) Also, they should be answer if the creases break color, if they don't break color it affects the grade differently.

Are there any date stamps or other types of markings on the cover? No / Yes very slight marking(s) appear on the cover / Yes noticeable marking(s) appear on the cover / Yes moderate marking (s) appear on the cover / Yes defacing marking(s) appear on the cover.

Is there soiling, staining or other discoloration (such as foxing, nrowning or dust shadows) on the cover? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is there tape or tape residue present on the exterior or interior covers? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is there moisture or water damage present? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is the spine tight and flat? Yes / no it is slightly loose / no it is noticeably loose / no it is moderately loose  / no it is severely loose.

Is there spine roll present? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Is there spine stress? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

How many spine ticks are there? 0, 1, 2, 3, etc

Is the spine split open in some areas? No / Yes and then number of splits and then measurement of split.

Are both staples present on the spine? Yes / No one is missing / No both are missing.

Do the staples appear to be the original ones? Yes / no - if the staples were replaced, were the replaced by authentic ones.

Are the staples centered on the spine? Yes / No they are off center - slightly, noticeably, moderately, severely

Are the staples clean and without rust? Yes / no - slight discoloration appears, noticeable, moderate discoloration, severe discoloration / No -  Rust appears - slightly, noticeably, moderately, severely. If rusty staples -> has the rust migrated into the paper? Yes/No.

Are there staple creases? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Are there staple tears? No / Yes - slight, noticeable, moderate, severe.

Are all the interior pages present? Yes / No (just two options because if with the large majority of books if any page is missing the book is automatically downgraded to 0)

What quality is the interior paper? No tears / it has tearing - minor, moderate severe / If no tears what is the page quality? -> White, supple and fresh / Off white with a noticeable acidic smell / Tan colored and slightly brittle / Brown colored but easily handled without damage / The pages are brittle and are not easily handled without damage. (might be useful to include this for reference.)

Is the centerfold firmly secure? Yes / No - slightly, moderately, noticeably, moderately, severely not secure / The centerfold is detached.

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Now, the order that you ask the questions is an issue in my opinion. I think there should be initial questions before any of these. Questions which would help save time answering questions which wouldn't apply.

For instance, you could ask questions which determine if the book is in one of the extreme upper or lower grade ranges. Because if a book has no cover, all the questions relating to the cover are eliminated and really, the grade is pretty much 0. Or if the book was bagged immediately upon coming off the press, there's no need to ask about page color. The book is going to be a 9.2 or better unless it has production flaws.

Another thing I'd like to see, is for the some of the key words to be hotlinked to images that show examples. It seems to me that this application you're thinking of inventing would be used by anyone even folks with no idea about grading. So if you asked them if there's spine roll, they might not know what that means, so clicking spine could popup a pic of what spine roll looks like. Wouldn't be hard to put together. All of us here have lots of comics so we can easily find examples in our collection and provide pics.

Also, you might want to allow for a full version as well as a quick grade. The Quick grade eliminates a lot of questions. The full goes more in-depth.

Additionally, I think the app should spit out a grade range rather than a specific grade.

And my two cents, I think the decimal grading (with the number from 0-10) is a lot more intuitive than the traditional grade names.




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you guys rock. i cant believe you were able to pull all
this info together so quickly. this is awesome.

i want to build the detailed one first, this way we flush
out all the questions and possibilities and then once its
done i can roll a quick version from it.

i think the grade needs to be given both ways as a numeric
value and the good old letters. reason is someone might
then be trying to mark it as such in their stash, and if
we only provide the numeric value they wont know how to
mark it in their stash since that uses the letters.

next step i think is to put all those questions in an
appropriate order and split them into groups, like JN said
above. and then assign each answer a -X value. so all
grading starts at 10/GM and go down from there as answers
are being answered.

i like the idea of providing a range answer. looking at
that picture JN posted some items which teh answer is just
moderate or severe, their is a range and not a single
value. so probably keep track of a score at the lowest
and highest points and at the end say "the issue is
somwhere between X and Y".

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nisav wrote
you guys rock. i cant believe you were able to pull all
this info together so quickly. this is awesome.

i want to build the detailed one first, this way we flush
out all the questions and possibilities and then once its
done i can roll a quick version from it.

i think the grade needs to be given both ways as a numeric
value and the good old letters. reason is someone might
then be trying to mark it as such in their stash, and if
we only provide the numeric value they wont know how to
mark it in their stash since that uses the letters.

next step i think is to put all those questions in an
appropriate order and split them into groups, like JN said
above. and then assign each answer a -X value. so all
grading starts at 10/GM and go down from there as answers
are being answered.

i like the idea of providing a range answer. looking at
that picture JN posted some items which teh answer is just
moderate or severe, their is a range and not a single
value. so probably keep track of a score at the lowest
and highest points and at the end say "the issue is
somwhere between X and Y".


We'll be keeping an eye on this thread Igor.


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How is this coming along?
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would this grade be applied and stored for stashed comics?

If so, then would the CGC/PGX column be extended to CGC/PGX/SMC, including a new dropdown for the SMC-determined grade or number?

 

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this is a project for after the redesign, so still a bit
away.

this would be a way to help you determine the comics
condition, so then you can properly select it in the
condition field. we are not starting our own grading thing
like cgc/pgx.

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nisav wrote
this is a project for after the redesign,
so still a bit
away.

this would be a way to help you determine the comics
condition, so then you can properly select it in the
condition field. we are not starting our own grading
thing
like cgc/pgx.

Redesigning the site?
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AvengersFan223 wrote
nisav wrote
this is a project for after the redesign,
so still a bit
away.

this would be a way to help you determine the comics
condition, so then you can properly select it in the
condition field. we are not starting our own grading
thing
like cgc/pgx.

Redesigning the site?


A plot twist where you didn't expect it.


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JasonNewcomb wrote

AvengersFan223 wrote
nisav wrote
this is a project for after the
redesign,
so still a bit
away.

this would be a way to help you determine the comics
condition, so then you can properly select it in the
condition field. we are not starting our own grading
thing
like cgc/pgx.

Redesigning the site?
A plot twist where you didn't expect it.

yea...wow
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Bumped, cause this is f**kin' awesome.

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thx for resurrecting this

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FYI, There's an online site that does this.

http://www.e-bigs.net/freetool.php

You might want to take a look at some of what they've done. I think its done well.
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Spooky Dragon wrote
FYI, There's an online site that does this.

http://www.e-bigs.net/freetool.php

You might want to take a look at some of what they've done. I think its done well.


That seems pretty cool. Here's the above link, clickable.

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